Tactical Wealth: From Military to Money

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somebody believes that your idea is good enough to pay for it.

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that is your proof point to know that you actually have a valuable idea

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it's a little bit of a play on the old it's not what you know, it's who you know.

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But if you create long, enduring relationships and long enduring businesses, you've got the ability to be free

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if you're an entrepreneur, you got to be able to tell your story in 30s in three minutes and in 30 minutes.

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You can only see so many problems for so long and not be able to empower to fix those problems before you start to lose a little bit of trust in your ability to serve in that organization.

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I hope you're mature enough to realize that that should last for about 60 days.

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But I promise you, you go back to your local community. The first three people you should reach out to your former veterans that are going to help you first job.

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For too long, those that have worn the cloth of the country, that have fought and sacrificed for our nation have been left out of the greatest financial engine the world has ever seen. My service paved the way for my success, and that's true for so many venture partners. In fact, some of the greatest companies were created by veterans.

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I'm your host, Carson, and in each episode, we'll bring you the stories and the wisdom of those who have gone from boots on the ground to successful careers, from military to wealth and how they've done it. So you can apply those insights to your own mission and life. Welcome to tactical wealth, from military to money.

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If you had to describe your journey from military to money in 1 or 2 sentences, what would it be? I just learned along the way a little bit like Forrest Gump.

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Like

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you just start going in one path, you do something, you learn that you like it or not, and then you move on to the next

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thing. And if you like it and you do good at it, they give you more opportunities. So you just kind of like earn your way through it. And then if you don't like something, you move out of that step and you're in a different direction.

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So today's guest is somebody who's gone from the battlefield to the boardroom. Dan Kunce, friend of mine. Full disclosure, he's led on the front lines and, from the Army National Guard all the way to Capitol Hill, doing everything from national security to politics to economics.

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He's advised on policy, work force transformation and tech that keeps our nation secure. Currently the VP

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Civil and Commercial space at Leo Labs and host of Warrior Money on Yahoo,

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I want to talk about transition I want to talk about your background. But this idea of reciprocation has been really important to me because

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it's a little bit of a play on the old it's not what you know, it's who you know.

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Yeah. And one of the difficulties, I think, for veterans transitioning out of the military has been that when you're when you're inside your, your social networks are bounded to a certain domain.

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And one of the things that can help change your trajectory is by changing your inputs in your social networks. I know this happened to me for graduate school. Have you found that to be true in your own transition? Yeah. I mean, so let's let's go back a couple of steps. The military teaches you how to operate within a hierarchy, a structure and a hierarchy.

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You are not rewarded by stepping out of the structure or the hierarchy, or you are rewarded only in, like, very small pieces, unless you find a very unique leader. Right. The civilian side, you are rewarded by creating various backgrounds, diverse backgrounds, bringing people together, having ideas that cross cross boundaries. They cross functional boundaries, like to be great at finance, to also be great at communications, to be great at business, to also be great at politics.

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You don't have to be great at any of those. You need to know the people that are great in those places, and figure out how to bring them together. In the military, you don't get to experience that until you're at least a colonel, maybe a maybe even a general officer. And by that time you've oriented yourself to the silo or the structure of the organization you're with.

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So like, yes, it's a very difficult transition. But the difficult part of the transition isn't like the skills that you learn there. The leadership skills, the the the ability to take risks, the boldness. It's really the fact that we're linear and the world, the world truly rewards exponential. So you've got to figure out how to play across those boundaries in those lines.

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Yeah. Concur. Concur. Let's talk about your military background.

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I was a community college kid. I went to temple. Yeah. It's it's totally. And I had every intention of serving at each time that I finished the school, I knew nothing about service. So it wasn't until law school that I joined the military.

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So I joined the Army by two l summer of law school. December of 2010 is the day that I enlisted in the Army, and that's on the reserve side. So it's not an ROTC program. You did it straight out of the right, dude. About as hard as you possibly can. Yeah. So I joined, basic training. I enlisted in December 2010.

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I went to basic training at Fort Sill, Oklahoma in June of 2011, I did that. I took a course before I left the law school, came back and graduated on time three months later. Wow. This is so this is fascinating. So this is and then but you didn't reserve commission as a JAG. Did not reserve Commissioner. You went into the regular.

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I went conventional side enlisted. I was I was an E-4. I was an E-4 for three years. Okay. So I went yeah, I went, I went in as an E-4, I as an oh nine Sierra through Officer Candidate School. I went to basic training and came home. Then the following summer time, I went through the OCS program through for 18 months to the state commissioning source.

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And then I got my federal recognition, and then I went to Fort Benning. Actually, Fort Benning still, to do Armor School as I was going through working in the civilian side. Yeah. It's wild. It was a great it's like, if I could have figured out a I knew nothing about the military when I joined. If I could have figured out a harder way to do it.

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I would love to have known the harder way, because I don't think I, I was going to say this is the most oh well, besides my own, probably the most non-linear path I've heard to service. It was the most non-linear path that I've ever that you could, that you could conceive. And I wouldn't have traded that non-linear path for any of the linear paths that I would have gone down.

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Okay. What what, as a second year in law school, what compelled you to join? I had always wanted to serve. Well, not always. I was 15 when nine over 11 happened, and I, distinctly remember the reactions that day. Like, I remember a whole bunch of different. You're from Philly, right? So you're close. You're close by Philadelphia.

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I got a picture of my best, one of my best childhood friends. And I like out front of the World Trade Center is like a couple years before that happened. So, like, yeah, this was part of our lives. And, I remember sitting in the classroom and I had a, 10th grade history teacher that's like Koons. Like, I see you got angry in your eyes, like, chill.

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And I had this, like, this feel like there's a lot of people were afraid. I get that. I. I really felt compelled that I needed to go do something. Like, in that moment, it wasn't. It wasn't like, out of, necessarily revenge, but it was more like, hey, how do I take care of my people? How do I make sure that we're good?

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And how do you make sure we do that? I was when I was 15, and then, every milestone that I went through. So graduated from high school, went to college, and I thought after college I was going to join the Navy on a commission. I had that that path gone. And then I got into law school.

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So I went to law school, and I'm like, you know what? I'm going to. But I couldn't continue to push it off any further. Yeah, yeah. Like, so that was that was an inflection point for you at that point you were going in some form, some capacity. Yeah. I couldn't I couldn't push it off any further. If I wasn't going to do it, then I wasn't going to do it in the first place.

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And I would have severely regretted not doing it.

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I got an opportunity to join and it fit my life or I fit it into my life. I'm not really sure which one. It worked. And it just it was it was a great opportunity, a great experience for me. And and you migrated around you in a variety of jobs within the Army.

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What? You tell me about them.

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was started as an Army officer, so I did, I, I was the platoon leader of, mobile gun system, Stryker unit.

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I was part of the the cavalry, like, have like I went did that was the platoon leader. Yeah.

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and then, my civilian side, because the reserves and the guard are such an unbelievable organization and they've become so unbelievable over the last 20 years because, like, the war, the global war on terror required Guardian Reserves to do a lot. Right. And so because I was doing that, I actually in my civilian life had this unbelievable opportunity to work for 3 or 4 of the fortune 500 technology companies.

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So as I was doing that, I was working with chief information officer as chief security officers, like all these chief executive officers. And I was learning more and more about data technology, I.T enterprise systems and cybersecurity. And so I transitioned to a cybersecurity oriented role because I understood cyber from a risk management side and the reserves. Yeah.

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And then when I did that, then they were like, hey, you know what the biggest problem we have is? We don't know how to utilize our people. So I went to a human capital role, and I helped build, the 75th of Michigan's Human capital group on the east, the East Coast central. I work on that. And 75 the image command is an organization that was supportive of Army Futures Command.

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And so we were trying to get really great talent in the Army Reserve.

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So you have this, like, really interesting career where you're kind of jumping back and forth across the line from civilian to reserve side and you're in I mean, theoretically, this is what the reserves do. They they should harness some of that talent from the civilian world and use it to populate, DoD and bring like the best ideas and technology.

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I, I have a really strong opinion about that. Like, I, I started,

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I used to feel in a bit of an imposter syndrome as it relates to like, hey, you didn't do active duty time or you didn't do you didn't do certain things that you should have probably done.

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Whatever your job was, you signed up to do it. And not to say that everybody's perfect or that everybody's great. But like, if you sign up and do your job, you did your job like and and like to me, there's a maginot line you either served and put on the, the cloth of the country or you didn't.

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And that's it. That's all that needs to be said. But my my other point is like, if I do garden reserves for the first 12 or 13 years of my career, which is what I've done, and then I've got young kids at home and I want to take a bit of a knee and I'm I'm on air right now.

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What's to keep me in 5 or 6 years, coming back and putting my uniform on and going active duty or going full time like that when the nation calls me, as long as I haven't, as long as I haven't retired, as long as I haven't, like, resigned my commission, I have an opportunity to go serve if if the opportunity or the time presents itself.

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Right. So if, if at the end of my career, I do my active duty time or do the things that I need to do, who's to say that that's not the right path? Like I've accumulated an incredible amount of civilian experience that will get applied to an enterprise problem. Maybe it wasn't up front, but maybe my experience wasn't right at the time.

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So at the end, that's when I should go back and do it. Yeah, yeah. Check. What? What's the one thing that sucked about the Army? I mean, pick one thing that sucked about the army. So, I mean, it's I wouldn't say it's, you know, I say two things that suck. You're like, how long do we have for this podcast?

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So all the things that you think would suck, like the the sleeping outside, the taking, the the taking shitty shades when it's like, cold out, like all, all of those things. I look back and I loved like actually like I look back fondly on it. Every everything that sucked about the Army, right? Yeah. The thing that I grew to hate, I grew to hate the lack of entrepreneurship that was in the organization itself.

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Right. Like, if you I saw so many problems that could get solved and would have made people's lives better and then more prone to serving. But we were we were not we were not empowered to solve those problems.

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You can only see so many problems for so long and not be able to empower to fix those problems before you start to lose a little bit of trust in your ability to serve in that organization.

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And so I, I loved every part of the Army. I love the people that I met. I loved, I loved all the things that I did. I loved the sleeping in the woods. I loved the men that I worked with. I love the men that I led. That was all great. It's when I stopped being the one to stop feeling that I was in power to solve problems, and I saw so many problems that I felt like I was like, you know what?

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That's that's what I hated about the Army. Yeah, hate about it. And that happens in like, strictly hierarchical organizations. I will say, in the special operations community, it's not perfect, but entrepreneurial ism is kind of built into the culture. And I think the conventional side would benefit to some degree. And I know it's hard. Big Green Machine like you got to move like lots of planes and tanks and shit all in the same direction.

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But, I think the military's inherently entrepreneurial, and you kind of cute it up when you think about your transition, you are inherently entrepreneurial. Yeah. But, like, how do you know? I guess you were sort of concurrently building your civilian career as you were serving. Yeah, I wish that was so I started working, I was nine, I had a paper out.

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So I've been an entrepreneur since I have IQ. Like I had a paper out when I was nine. I consolidated a couple routes. I started buying supplies for multiple routes, like I've I've been an entrepreneur, business oriented since I was a kid. And then those those paper route customers became landscaping customers. I started I had 25, 30 accounts by the time I was like, actually, funny, I what would we call that, an entrepreneur?

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Speak. You like, diversified your revenue streams is how you do it. Yeah, I guess nice. Yeah. At nine. Yeah. It was incredible because it was like, yeah, I started I started building out different opportunities and like they would ask me like I and the first principle of all this stuff is just to show up, like, like we can talk about all the novelty and all the sophistication, all this other nonsense you have.

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You just show up and you do what you say you're going to do. You're you're going to you're you're going to be in a good spot.

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So I've been I've been entrepreneurial since I was young. And then I became corporate because I thought that that was I think that that's a great way to learn skills and learn scale skills. And as my life has become kind of more settled on the personal side, I've become more, more, more entrepreneurial in my, in my business side.

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Let's let's like, remember back to those days of transitioning out of the military, especially for people who were on active duty, right.

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I remember they send you this class Taps Transition Assistance program. And they handed me a book like from, navy blue to corporate gray. Oh, boy. Yeah. And that was like, the military's idea of helping you transition out right? How how should members who are transitioning out based on your life experience, your cadre of experience, like how do they get out of these sort of narrow paradigms?

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What's what's the first thing that somebody's getting out of the military who aspires, like us, to build wealth? What what what's the mentality? What's the framing? That's right.

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like you saw, poor decisions on vehicles.

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You saw people maybe getting married really early because they thought that increased their bar or their right, like their take home pay like until they're paying, you know, child support, a whole different set. And that's a whole different problem. But like you saw these issues from the very beginning and the the problem that I think people should solve for is understanding that transition is hard.

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No matter what you're going to do, it's really difficult. And what you think is a greener, greener pasture may not be that much greener. So really think about whether or not you want to leave the military in the first place. Like really thinking about it. And if you're in the combat arms and there's not a direct application to what you're going to do anyway, like maybe you can re class, maybe go learn, maybe go have the Army, Navy, Marine Corps teach you how to do IT systems.

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Maybe go figure out your in-service transition, sign another two year contract to go figure out a different specialty skill. Let's build a different skill. Set those different skills. So that's the first thing. The second thing is

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you may load the army when you're leaving, you may be an E3 a and be like, I got nothing but problems for my sergeant.

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I want to grow my hair out. I'm never wearing a safety vest on my motorcycle. Look at this place. I'm done.

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I hope you're mature enough to realize that that should last for about 60 days. Cool. You feel that way? Awesome. But I promise you, you go back to your local community. The first three people you should reach out to your former veterans that are going to help you first job.

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They go, go find somebody from your community, somebody that exists. Go look them up and figure out whether or not they're willing to find you a job or help you, like, just get to know them, because that will be the network that you find your job in. So so you can hate it as much as you want to with the time and service, but realize that's your greatest power source is the network that you have coming out of that.

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And then from there, I think it's like, so stay and learn skills to leverage the network that you have. No matter, no matter how old you are, leverage that anywhere you have in your community. The number three part of it is like you've earned some level of benefit from your service. Go back to school. Go, go learn something that makes you unique and valuable because you have to in this economy.

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Yeah, I mean, what what I am hearing and what resonates with me is that when you're transitioning out of service, when you're getting out of the military, there is this like giant information gap, right? And unless you figure out a mechanism to close that knowledge gap, like you don't know what you don't know, you don't know what you know when you get out of the military and you've been in this cloistered environment.

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Right. And so you got to figure out a way to level up your knowledge. Yeah. And yeah, and there's a lot of ways to do that. Like for me, I've always said like school is the softest landing coming out of the military proves your social network ups your IQ. But it's certainly not the only way. Right. Sure. Like, you know, like you and I, we got these fancy degrees, right?

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Like, truth is, Harvard offers all their courses online for free. There's more knowledge in your pocket. There's the entire corpus of human knowledge in your pocket. Yeah. And we we talk all often. Like I had a bunch of degenerates that would that ran our motor pool like they were not. They were not blockheads. Yeah. Bucket like whatever. But like, these dudes knew how to fix anything if if it a diesel engine, they know how to fix it.

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Right. There's no reason why that isn't valuable in the civilian side. Just because you and I went and got some fancy degrees and some fancy whatevers, right? Like, go do what you're great at and figure out where that value is in the civilian side. Like, I totally agree with you. And the other part that we talked about prior to the show is like the older you get, the more you realize what you don't know and how little you know.

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You got to be like, you got to give yourself the chance to be humble in the transition as well. Like that whole resentment towards your service, like, hey man, that sucked. Like, I never want to do that again f f this organization, right? That you you can earn that for about like 45, 60 days, but you don't know how much you don't know about why decisions were being made and what you didn't see that you need to, like, take the chip away, like buff that out and then go on and move on.

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On the other end of the spectrum, I, I want to think about, sort of all these terms that are like intimidating or all these ideas that, you know, there might be a large part of the knowledge gap, like when you really get into kind of the entrepreneurial side in the Angel game, like you've been on both sides of that coin, right?

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You've you've been an entrepreneur and you've been on the investing side. For someone who is transitioning out of the military, and is really thinking about, like starting a business, moving into entrepreneur, it was, what do you think the, the key things to think about are for that person?

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There's, a thousand people that say that they're entrepreneurs. I'm seeing these big numbers, right? There's a thousand people that say there's entrepreneurs. There's a thousand people that say that they're, investors. There's a thousand people that say they're content creators. Like, there's a lot of people that say that they're these things. My, there's 10% of those are actually doing something meaningful, right?

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Like, you can you can, get fooled by a charlatan. That's like doing things or they're self-promoting themselves or whatever, right? Like that. That can work. But find the community people, and they're generally quieter than that community. Right? They're generally harder to find. Find the people that are actually doing that, that have like their whispered word is respected, like, like, hey, I don't I don't think that's the right thing to do.

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Like go find those people. Because if you listen to everything that you read and you listen to the people that are doing it, even the loudest voices and doing it, I'm worried that you're going to miss 5 to 8 years because you're following the wrong crowd. If you get into the right crowd of the people that are actually doing, doing, doing, the doing that, know how these systems work, that know the right access to investments, the right things, you're going to shave years off and you're be part of a better, better, longer term network.

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Yeah, yeah. Pressure test this idea against you when you're getting out of the service or even when you're many years out of the service, like you can sometimes have, like this cornucopia of ideas, right? All these brilliant ideas. Right. And I always say like, there, there's there's no IP in ideation, only in execution, like, you got to go out and do it because and the truth is, like, likely your idea is not unique.

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The delta between the execution is the execution and how you're going to grind it out and do it. Yeah. I, I, I have an expression that I use with everybody I work with. I got to stay in the money, like. Like you can have a million ideas, but if the a great idea is validated by exchange of value.

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Right?

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Somebody somebody believes that your idea is good enough to pay for it. That is your that is your proof point to know that you actually have a valuable idea

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and and so like I, I have 100 ideas a day like I, my wife actually has a folder in her email like Dan's all Dan's great ideas. Like it's all these like these ideas that I have like but like I've also been around for long enough to know that if those ideas, first of all, aren't worth my time because time is of the essence, right?

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If they're not worth my time or they're not scalable, you've got to ask yourself, is that is that idea worth doing? And so, like that's the that's the problem set that we walk through is like all these great ideas, all these new things. AI is making the access to executing ideas so cheap. Is somebody willing to pay for it?

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If somebody is willing to pay for it and you can stay in the money, then you know that your idea has a bit of value to at least one person. And if you've got value to one person, then try ten people. And if you get from ten people to 50 people, you might have an idea that's actually worth execute on.

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So that I think, is that that I think is the path that you have to go down. I could not agree more. I always actually discourage bootstrapping at a significant level. Because sometimes the first litmus test of your idea is can you get somebody else to pay for it? And it doesn't mean that you don't put in ultimately because you got to have skin in the game.

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Okay. We're, we're going to do a quick little game or we're going to do some role play. You didn't know what you're getting into today. We're going to role play. Let's say you're an entrepreneur building a coffee company.

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And you run into this, you know, big swing in angel investor Lawson in the elevator. Like like give me give me your 32nd pitch. What is your favorite coffee? Oh, I don't drink coffee. I drink tea. Well, so many other Americans do. And right now, there's not a lot of great coffee right now. Like the coffee market has been diluted.

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I think there's an opportunity to create a new brand right now. And not for nothing. I've got three little kids that want to work in a coffee shop, and I've got the ability to sell into other, like, larger enterprise coffee organizations, and they're just looking for new, fresh brands. So that's what we're going to go do. That's cool.

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What's it called? Malvern Coffee Company I like. And what's the what's the genesis of the name? I live in Malvern. Yeah, I live in Malvern. And, build what, you know, to be really cheap, to be really brutally honest. Last summertime, I was thinking about a place where I could teach my kids business skills, and I was thinking about a reason why I could go to Costa Rica and different places.

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And I was like, well, coffee company allows me to do that. And so I started looking at the market and,

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some of the larger companies had just gotten bought by private equity. I don't think Starbucks. Starbucks is in its own, its own world right now, trying to figure out what they're going to be when they grow up.

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And and the local convenience store, coffee has been not really not good. And so I believe that everybody loves I love I believe everybody loves hyperlocal. I believe people love where they live. They want to love where they live and be connected to it. And so I, I was like, Harry. So this my kids can learn how to be a part of a business.

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I get to travel to go find cool beans when I want to write coffee beans when I want to. And three, I have this idea because of this beautiful place that I live in, to create a coffee brand that's like synonymous with the place that I work, that I live. And that's why that's why we created the coffee company epic.

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Let's, schedule a meeting with one of my seven assistants, and let's talk about it some more I can't wait. Yeah, yeah, you know what I like? I schedule weed over coffee with beer with you? Yeah. Exact. No, this is textbook, like, just as an instructional lesson. There is so much wisdom in what you just did there right now, what can takes a long time from, like, taking off the uniform to getting to what you just did, but, like, engaging somebody in, like, an honest and genuine way, asking a question.

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Right? And like, look,

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if you're an entrepreneur, you got to be able to tell your story in 30s in three minutes and in 30 minutes.

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Right. And you just did the 32nd version. You engaged me right? Then you told me the Tam, right? The total addressable market like it's a giant market, right? And most importantly, you did something that resonated emotionally.

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You you told me a personal story. And I think so many people out there hustling are trying to like, close in one interaction, and you're trying to do the opposite. Are you trying to do is establish a human connection and then like, let's build this relationship. And ultimately you may write me a check.

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It is exhausting trying to chase transactions all the time. It is exhausting.

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You're always $10,000 away from peril if you're trying to chase transactions.

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But if you create long, enduring relationships and long enduring businesses, you've got the ability to be free

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create your own sort of gravity. Absolutely. All right. We're we're coming near the finish line here.

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We got a little segment. Rapid fire.

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best investment you ever make. My wife amazing. Dumbest financial mistake you've made. Trying to rush everything. Military skill that's been the most helpful in business. Writing down what my thoughts are. A military habit that has continued to carry over into your civilian life. Working out every day. Yeah. Same, same.

00:26:46:02 - 00:26:59:13
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It is essential working on every day. I my, my body weight can fluctuate like because that just does I have to try to sweat every day and if I don't it doesn't work. Yeah. What's your media diet in the morning?

00:26:59:13 - 00:27:08:07
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I read, the Wall Street Journal, I read, the business wires, the different business wires, and then I read the news in my stock portfolio.

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What's your, first thing you do on your morning morning routine? Box, Mondays and Fridays and try to get some level of exercise every other day.

00:27:18:16 - 00:27:29:17
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I do want to leave people with some principles, like some actual like digestible principles that can potentially help nudge them on their entrepreneurial journey and like and remembering what the North Star is.

00:27:29:17 - 00:27:55:08
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Right? Like you've you've served your country. You developed skills within the military. I think our thesis is that those skills are applicable in the civilian world in different ways, if you harness them correctly and if you up your IQ, your your economic IQ. So, a couple key takeaways. What advice would you give to a veteran who wants to start their own business?

00:27:55:10 - 00:28:25:02
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If you want to start your own business and you're transitioning out of service, go your MBA or go work for a big company first. Go get go get a little experience first. Go go go. Learn what scale. If you want to start a technology company, go find a technology company and work there for two years. If you want to get into finance, go get your MBA and then go into Wall Street, like go, go do something first because, it's really hard to make the transition without some sort of transition to transition.

00:28:25:02 - 00:28:32:16
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How can people follow you support what you're doing? Yeah. You can follow me on LinkedIn. You can follow me on Instagram. You follow me on Twitter. You can find me on all those different platforms.

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you can reach out to me directly in whatever way you want to. And as you know, this world is cosmic. So start connecting the right people together. And then what we're going to do is elevate the status of our of our community.

00:28:44:06 - 00:29:03:01
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Dan just dropped some serious tactical Intel. And whether you're navigating a career transition, launching a startup, or just trying to figure out what comes next after service today we heard about turning discipline into impact, finding a new mission and purpose, and using your skills from the military as currency in both public and private sectors.

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If you're taking notes, we also hope you're taking action. Dan, thank you for your service and your continued mission. To our listeners. Thanks for walking in with us today. We'll be back with another guest soon. Till then, stay tactical, stay driven.

00:29:16:15 - 00:29:39:14
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Hey, thanks again for walking in with us today. I hope this episode stimulated the old brain housing unit. Step one to becoming richer is becoming smarter, and I hope some of the lessons and ideas from today have sharpened your knife. As always, I hope you're taking notes and more importantly, that you're taking action. Thanks again to Siebert Bauer and Siebert Financial for the support.

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